Several months ago, I wrote about some of the questions I get about breastfeeding through pregnancy. I know many people are curious about what it is like to have an older nursling, so once again, I am going to share some of our experiences. Obviously, every nursing relationship is unique, but here are our answers to some of the questions:
How old are your nurslings?
I am currently nursing an almost five-year-old, a two and a half year old and a six month old. :)
Did you always plan to nurse a long time?
I originally planned to breastfeed for 6 months. Maybe a year if all went well. Then, after my daughter was born, I learned a lot more about breastfeeding and how amazing milk is. I read the recommendations for a minimum of two years. Then I read on some message boards about child-led weaning. I didn't know anyone who had nursed that long, and it seemed rather bizarre. Yet each day I was learning to trust my daughter and my body more. Before long, I was committed to child-led weaning.
So, um, nursing three kids? How does that work?
Pretty well, most of the time. I've been nursing at least two since 2006, so we are used to it. My children get an early lesson in sharing this way. :) I've written more about it in other posts--check the tandem nursing label--but it isn't like nursing triplets. The older kids are capable of waiting if needed and don't nurse as much.
How often do they nurse? For how long? Can you do anything besides sitting on the couch and nursing all day?
Some days. :D The five year old nurses for a couple of minutes, usually once a day. However, some times he goes several days without nursing. As he gets closer to weaning, those times will probably increase. The two year old nurses around five minutes at a time a few times during the day and a few times at night. The baby nurses for close to ten minutes every few hours still, since she is exclusively breastfed. It does mean a lot of time is spent nursing, but it is a calm, quiet time for the older ones. We certainly don't confine ourselves to the house all day! My boobs and my babies just go wherever I do. :)
Do you nurse in public?
Yes. The older two rarely ask to nurse in public, and if they do there is usually a good reason. The baby nurses whenever and wherever she wants.
Do you get negative reactions?
Not so far. I think it doesn't even occur to most people that they might be nursing--they just see a kidlet cuddled up in my lap.
Doesn't it hurt? I mean, they have a full set of teeth!
Actually, a nursling's tongue always covers the bottom teeth, so those aren't an issue. As long as they latch well, it isn't uncomfortable unless I am pregnant or dry-nursing. They are very considerate and make sure that their teeth aren't rubbing or making me uncomfortable.
What else do they eat? Doesn't a child need more than milk? In fact, I've heard that there isn't any nutritional value at all after 6 months/1 year/whatever date.
We introduce solids around a year, and they eat everything (aside from some food allergies) and as much/as often as most kids their age. The only possible difference is that they are very good at regulating themselves and recognizing their own hunger/fullness cues, because those are always honored. As for nutritional value, they still get a significant amount, both in nutrients, calories, healthy fats and antibodies. Check out www.kellymom.com for more info.
It doesn't weird you out? I can't even imagine nursing my one year old, let alone a four year old!
I can't, either. :) The thing is, they are always just a few hours older than the last time they nursed.
Is this all about you? Is it inappropriate? I've read some stuff by Freud...
Yeah, his stuff is pretty strange. Much weirder than nursing a five year old! I will actually be happy for them to wean when they are ready. As it is, at this point, we pretty much practice "Don't offer, don't refuse," so most of the time they request to nurse. There is nothing sexual or inappropriate at all.
Will they remember nursing? How do you feel about that?
I don't know. My oldest weaned a few months after turning four. She says she doesn't really remember it. It has been a happy, love-filled part of our lives, so I will be glad if they do remember.
What about your son? How do think it will affect his sexuality?
I think he will know to respect other people's bodies, and see women's bodies as amazing in their ability to bear and nurture children. Other than that, and general health, I don't think it will affect it at all. I have heard some nonsense about it making him gay, and some that think it will make him obsessed with breasts. Absurd stuff--as if all straight men were bottlefed and do not like breasts. There is actually a pretty interesting chapter on this in Ann Sinnott's book, Breastfeeding Older Children. Also, in many cultures, boys nurse longer than girls because they are more fragile, health-wise.
Doesn't it make them babyish or cause social problems or inhibit independence?
Every study done has found the opposite--that it seems to benefit them socially, and help foster independence. I believe that needs that are met go away. It is when we don't fulfill needs that issues are more likely to arise.
What are some of the differences with an older nursling?
Nursing all of their toys. I have breastfed chess pieces, action figures and an assortment of stuffed animals and dolls, although I have not nursed Johnny Depp.. Finding cookie crumbs and other food particles in my bra. I have had to remind them a couple of times to finish swallowing any snacks and wipe their mouths before drinking leche.
Obviously, you don't buy into the whole "if they are old enough to ask for it they are old enough to wean" thing. Do they talk about breastfeeding a lot?
Sometimes. They ask for leche, of course. Really, the only difference there is that they use words instead of body language--babies "ask for it", too! They occasionally comment on the flavor, especially during pregnancy. Sometimes they tell me how delicious it is. :)
What kind of limits do you set?
Many friends who nurse beyond infancy have limits about nursing only at set times or places. Many nightwean, or nurse only to a count of 25 and so on. I haven't found it necessary for us. When pregnant, I get really uncomfortable, and then I might ask them to wait or to stop after a few seconds/minutes. Otherwise, I just follow their lead. They have never been twiddlers, and have always had good nursing manners.
What do you enjoy about nursing children?
Their happiness when nursing. The hilarity of nursing all their toys. Hearing them tell me that it tastes better than melted ice cream. Having a healthy, easy, free way to meet nutritional and emotional needs.
Are you going to make them wean?
I believe that it is a need that they will outgrow when they are ready. If at any point it seemed like there might be another need that should be addressed, developmentally or any way, we would pay attention to that. However, they are healthily independent, loving, happy kids. I trust them to stop on their own. I am just grateful that I have been able to give them the gift of mami milk.
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My 4 year old weaned about 3 months ago b/c I had to be on a med that she didn't need in her system. I think she'd have gone way past 5 if things had worked out right. It wasn't weird for us. It was normal.
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. As someone who is much earlier in my breastfeeding journey, this is truly encouraging!
This is a beautiful post! :) I'm nursing my 2.5 year old, and I wouldn't change a thing! I'm totally for child-led-weaning! :)
Thanks for linking me to this post! :) I love when you said that they are always only a few hours older than the last time they nursed. So true! When I was still pregnant, I wasn't sure how I'd feel about nursing an older baby, but now that my daughter is almost 14 months old, I see that she is still such a little baby. Nursing isn't strange or awkward at all, it's just very natural and comforting for both of us.
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Thank you so much for sharing. I am currently wondering whether to start weaning my 3.5YO or not. I am also nursing my 9mo baby and it gets tough at night when both are awake. My heart tells me to let her nurse as much as she wants until she's ready to quit.(which means she'll probably nurse another 2 years or so!) but I get these moments where I feel like I should wean her and that this is going on for too long. I need to learn to be relaxed and trust my instinct and it really helps to see encouraging posts like this one.
I always said I would wean whenever my children were ready and thought I would nurse for quite a long time. Unfortunately my daughter weaned herself at 11-12 months and my son at 15 months. In this case, I have to admit that child led weaning made me sad. I will say that even after they weaned my children liked to rest with their cheek on my bare breast for comfort and I got some flack for allowing that.
At this point I am dry-nursing my 6 year old. Gasp!! I know! How did this come to be many wonder? And trust me, we don't advertise the fact!!
This little guy has always been strongly attached (pun intended!) to nursing. He was our unnassisted hombirth baby and for the first 8 hours or so he just looked around in wonder. We were amazed at his peace. Then he began to cry and cry and cry. Nursing was the only thing that comforted him. He cried for the next two years. I've never seen anything like it!! We tried adjusting my diet and supplementing with formula but nothing helped. I got pregnant when he was not quite a year old and he continued to nurse. DH thought that I should wean but I kept telling him that I wanted to keep nursing "just in case". Intuitively I must have known that things would not turn out favorable because our baby died while in my womb at full term and I was ever so thankful for my breastfeeding toddler to take away the engorgement of milk made for a baby who would never nurse.
My DH isn't really into the natural, instinctive parenting thing and has hinted many times that our youngest has gotten way too old to nurse. We were going to wean when he turned 6 but I just couldn't bring myself to do it after he would cry and cry and beg to nurse at bedtime (we co-sleep). So I caved in despite dad's disapproval (and he didn't really have the heart to tough it out either!).
In less than 3 weeks he'll turn 7 and we are supposed to wean. He knows this and talks about how he's getting too old to have "side" (I would ask him when he was younger if he wanted the "other side" to nurse and so he's called my breast "side" for many years now. It's nice because when he asks for "side" no one but those who know us well knows what he's talking about!). I don't know how nursing so long will affect him mentally. I'm guessing that he'll be just fine and will hopefully respect and revere the mother's ability to breastfeed. I'm so thankful for the extended snuggle time with him. Especially since we haven't conceived again since the baby we lost and he's really enjoyed being the "baby" for so long. :-)
Thanks for sharing your experiences and for the precious picture of your older nursling! You are a very brave woman! :-)
Thank you all so much for sharing your stories, too!
GrammyK, I am so sorry for the loss of your baby. You sound like a wonderfully caring compassionate mom. My FIL weaned at seven, and is a tremendous pastor. :)
I'm SO glad I found you! My sister has tandem nursed, all CLW, and is currently nursing her youngest bio daughter and youngest adopted daughter. So I have good support in her.
My DD is 8 months, pretty much EBF, maybe one or two solid food bites a day (she begs me for it, but doesn't really want to eat it). She is starting to STTN on her own and it's breaking my heart because I'm worried she is making steps toward weaning. :( I've thought of waking her at night to nurse, but at the same time, she is STTN naturally, and maybe this is just part of the CLW process. Any ideas on that? Maybe you said this, but do all your nurslings STTN and if they have, is that an indicative step towards weaning? Anyway, I just really miss her night nursing.
Thanks for sharing so much! Blessings!
Cheers for your sister and you! That is awesome! :)
Honestly, I would enjoy the extra sleep and not worry. My older two both nightweaned completely before turning two, and still nursed for years after that. If you are struggling with supply, I might be more cautious, but otherwise I would just see it as a blessing. <3
OK, thanks! I'll try to enjoy it, and you never know, at 8 months, she's still changing, so who knows what tonight might bring! :)
Love love love this post — thank you for sharing it with me! I love the way you answer all the questions and make nursing multiple and older children sound just as normal as it is. It's also, selfishly speaking, always nice to hear others are in the same smallish boat as I am. :)
The part about asking your kids to finish eating before nursing cracked me up. Just yesterday, I had banana bread mush on me. Swallow first, kiddo. :)
(((Lauren))) Thank you so much! The worst is when they realize after latching that they have a little food left in their mouth and try to chew--yeouch! :D
Thank you so much for commenting, and for all your posts about nursing through pregnancy--everything you write is so good. You inspire me. Hugs to you!
This is fascinating - thank you so much for sharing!
I regret that I gave up on breastfeeding so soon (for various reasons) but I know that before I had my daughter I couldn't conceive of going past one with nursing. Now that I know what the reality of having her is, I could easily imagine EBF, but the idea of going past 2 or 3 was still somewhat strange to me.
Reading posts like this though - it's totally normalizing it for me (and for others, I'm sure!) So again, thank you so much for sharing - it is truly appreciated! :)
Just wanted to swing by and leave a comment in support of your awesome post. I currently am nursing my 4 year old. I thought we might wean on her birthday the same way I weaned her sister on her 3rd birthday but I am finding myself more ambivalent about it than I thought I would be. For now we're just going with the flow.
Great post! I tandem nursed my older three until they self-weaned (all at the same time). My eldest was 6 and the other two (twins) were 4 1/4. I was 3 months pregnant with a second set of twins. These last two are still nursing at 4 1/2 at bedtime. My mother tandem nursed me with my younger sister until I self-weaned during her 3rd pregnancy. I was 4 years old, and I remember nursing. It is the safest, warmest, most comforting feeling in the world. Nursing was home in every way. I'm so grateful that my mom took that risk when I was little and that I was able to share the joys of nursing with all of my children for as long as they needed it.
@Kelly, thank you so much! It is amazing how our perspective changes, isn't it? :)
@Melodie, thanks so much! I thought my son would have weaned already, too. Like you, we are going with the flow. :)
@Kirsten, WOW! You rock! What an awesome gift you have given your children. It is so interesting that they all weaned together. I have wondered at times if a couple of my nurslings will choose to stop at the same time. I love your memories of nursing--how beautiful! :sniffing happy tears: Thank you so very much for sharing! <3
Thank you for your lovely post. I am still nursing my first at 19 months and no plans to stop yet from either of us. :)
That is wonderful, JoAnne! Thank you so much. <3
Awesome! I have always wanted to practice child-led weaning, and in a way, I did with my second child (weaned at 10 months), but my low-supply has always led to early weaning. I just got my first freezer full of donor milk, so maybe we'll have a better shot.
You go, woman!
(((LF))) You are NOT a failure. I am sorry that things haven't gone the way you had hoped in the past, and praying that this time around they will. <3
Really cool post. :) I'm still nursing my daughter, who's almost three, and it's such an awesome experience. I miss nursing her as a baby, but nursing a toddler has some interesting blessings too...like you mentioned, she loves to share her momma-milk with her toys. She'll often turn herself upside down and any other way, which can get annoying at times, but she enjoys the closeness. She is weaning herself in a way, because she asks for it less and less, but I'm not pushing her to wean. When I started, my hope was to make it to 1 year...which wasn't easy with all the pressure from family and friends who wondered if it's perverse or inappropriate. We made it though...and as a family...we're proud! :)
What an honest and open post! I love that they tell you how yummy your milk is ;) You are truly a wonderful mommy...
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